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math curriculum all last summer was building a tree for right.
We had them working with a local contractor who come to the house a couple of times a week.
They learned woodworking,
they learned geometry.
You know,
they got a little P and along the way they learned about trees.
But it's just this this idea that Children should be engaged in in
creative free play,
pursuing their passions and interests.
And we simply surround them with as many tips and tools and tactics and
tutors that allow them to be immersed in what it is that they want to
learn in
order to get anywhere with what's happening.
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And that starts with Absolutes eradicating the
idea that there is some virus out there that is a threat
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I can prove it to you in 10 minutes.
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Hello!
Welcome to episode seven of Endgame.
The coming collapse and how to survive it.
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Next up,
my business partner,
Jeff Hayes interviews Ben Greenfield.
Ben is a dear friend of mine and he's one of the more interesting characters you will
ever meet in your life,
fascinating.
I won't tell you what he was or wasn't wearing during the interview,
You'll find that out yourself when you watch it and uh Ben marches to
the beat of his own drum.
So the fact that he might be on a treadmill while he's having the conversation
shouldn't surprise you.
But let me tell you a lot about Ben,
as far as a family man and somebody understands survival and how to take
care of his family properly.
There's a lot here and all I can say is it's entertaining at the very
least informative at the very most.
And somebody that you want to hear from.
So enjoy this interview with Ben Greenfield and Jeff's
Ben Greenfield,
it's great to see you,
john it's good to see you man.
That's too long.
It has been too long.
So thank you for taking the time to be with us.
Uh This is the first interview that we've done uh
where somebody is wired up on a treadmill.
Uh I see toys all around you.
It is so definitely been um for
people that that may not be familiar with you,
Why don't you give me a kind of a quick bio of yourself is the first interview you've ever
done with someone walking on the treadmill?
Not wearing pants though I was blissfully unaware of the not wearing pants.
Yeah,
the treadmill has already set the record.
Yeah,
yeah,
that's all right.
You know,
you get a little more shaping when you don't wear pants,
but I've heard it's better for the sperm.
So,
I was born and raised in North Idaho in Lewiston Idaho And grew
up homeschooled K through 12,
me and my four siblings and uh was a kind of a uh
voraciously curious,
self educated young man,
meaning that homeschooling worked out quite well for me simply because I just I love to read my
happy place was the library or curl up in my bedroom with the book.
And I was I was kind of a nerd,
you know,
I I played played a lot of world of warcraft and read a
lot of fantasy fiction and I played the violin.
I was like 13 years,
I was president of the chess club and
uh really really got interested in in physical
culture at a slightly later age in high school,
I really fell in love with tennis and tennis led me to things like weightlifting and running
and training and physiology.
And I got so interested in that.
I wound up going to college and studying exercise physiology and
biomechanics.
And about halfway through that decided that I wanted to be a physician.
So I I went pretty bad.
I took the M cats I applied to and was accepted to multiple medical
schools and opted to uh
frankly because I really didn't get accepted to a few programs that that I
wanted to get accepted into.
A couple of M.
D.
PhD programs I was looking into.
I took a year off start working in the private sector in hip and knee surgical sales which
for me was great.
You know as a guy coming out of college I was making good money and I kind of
enjoyed uh for for a little while getting to apply some of my knowledge of
biomechanics and health in that sector.
but just really became disillusioned with,
I guess,
you know,
Western alipay ethic medicine and,
you know,
putting overpriced knees and hips into morbidly obese individuals who
probably would have had to do that had they been counselled to take
more,
more natural steps towards,
you know,
fixing their joints and attending better health.
But,
but ultimately,
um,
I quit that job after about six months and uh,
and delves back into primarily fitness and nutrition by working
as a,
as a personal trainer.
I opened up a string of personal training studios and gyms across Idaho and
Washington and at the same time began to compete pretty heavily in
a wide variety of other sports.
Uh,
you know,
I played uh played middle for the men's water polo team and played tennis in college,
played volleyball in college.
Um,
and um,
and and even even spent a couple of years as an amateur
bodybuilder and then about a decade in Ironman triathlon.
And uh,
during that entire time worked a lot in the fields of
exercise physiology and nutrition and training and health
optimization for a wide variety of individuals.
And uh,
eventually I uh converted from traveling to obstacle course
racing professionally up until last year,
and uh,
things like Spartan races,
I mean venture races and obstacle course races and uh along
the way um wound up especially due to me wanting to
spend more time at home with my kids selling on my studios and gyms and
moving on my client's onto other personal trainers and beginning to work from home
doing a lot of what I do now,
which is podcasting,
speaking,
writing,
investing to a certain extent in different companies in the health and fitness sector.
And uh,
I also own and operate a nutritional supplements company and
uh just spend a lot of time at home town,
uh,
hang out with the kids cooking,
making music,
playing tennis,
exploring the great outdoors.
We live and Spokane Washington on about 10 acres of land out here with,
you know,
goats and chickens and a garden.
And uh,
I guess relevance to the show that we're recording now,
you know,
everything else gold and silver and guns and everything we need to be
relatively self sufficient.
And uh,
yeah,
that's that's,
that's my general background.
My my Children also are homeschooled,
although they are less traditionally school,
I suppose in the sense that one might think of home schooling,
their unschooled meaning that they learn more through life experiences
and just kind of immersive education.
Whatever is there?
Passions and interests might fall into,
versus like formal gathering around the table with a bunch of books or
taking a lot of online classes,
so to speak.
But uh,
yeah,
we do that.
My my wife,
uh,
she,
she's a homemaker and she spends a lot of time outdoors growing her food and
canning and pickling and fermenting and painting and taking care of the compound.
Well,
I I uh walked pantless in the basement in my treadmill talking to guys like
you.
So you were one of the first people that Patrick and I thought
about when,
when we we're discussing this series,
because you already live the lifestyle
that we're trying to help people learn how to create
and you have,
um,
and I'll get into some detail with you,
but you,
you know,
this is the lifestyle that you enjoy um from taking your kids
bow hunting and,
and uh matter of fact,
let let's start there.
You know what your kids are,
some of the best prepared kids for,
for whatever life deals out,
What was it that caused you to develop that philosophy and how have you
implemented it for the first couple of years of our kids education,
we home schooled them and realized a couple of years
in that me with my,
at that time very robust travel schedule,
meaning on an airplane one up to three times a week traveling all over the globe to both
speak and to compete in races.
Uh,
combined with the fact that my wife grew up hating school,
uh,
is dyslexic,
uh,
does not really like to teach especially formal curriculum.
Uh,
we realized it was somewhat unfair to our Children to have a father who couldn't
be fully present for their education and a mother who didn't really enjoy most of
the most kind of like the core subjects that they would need to be educated in.
Uh I'll be her having,
you know,
being a former rancher girl,
she was very good at teaching things like crafts and cooking and and
upholstery and and design a lot,
a lot of the things that that kind of are a little bit more of a creative bent.
Uh and so we we wound up putting them into a private
school From relief first grade through the 5th
grade.
And it wasn,
okay school is considered to be one of the,
one of the better schools around the region that we lived in.
And so it's not as though they were receiving a poor education yet I began to witness
in them what I also at the same time
was discovering in books on alternative education that I was reading,
particularly the fact that the tests,
the homework,
the formal classroom time and the
the educational model built to create,
Kind of a good factory worker,
but not necessarily a free thinking,
independent resilient thinker was resulting in.
And and this is something that you see uh in most kids,
actually,
about the age by by the age of 13,
that you see this the um enjoyment of the social aspects of
school and seeing your friends,
and perhaps some of the sports that you might be involved with,
and some of the other positive aspects of of a of a group education begin to
be overridden by homework by tests by
quizzes by screen time,
by all of the things that aren't necessarily preparing a
child for life,
but are instead preparing them to be a good test taker,
Right?
And uh and my kids were beginning to arrive home with,
you know,
and uh,
you know,
89 years old with,
with reams of of homework and,
and they really weren't,
weren't enjoying,
you know,
their time when they did arrive at home,
they weren't getting out in the forest to play.
They weren't getting a chance to plant,
forage and hunt and,
you know,
make fires and,
and find new animals and insects and learn birds and identify trees and,
and do all these things that,
that I thought should really be a core part of a young humans
education,
you know,
Justin intimate relationship with the planet upon which they are walking and living.
And so I remember I took her out to dinner one night when uh,
when they were in fifth grade and I said,
hey look guys,
um the decision is yours and that's the way we raise our kids.
You know,
we,
we let them make the decisions,
we just educate them about the consequences of any decision they might make and and then let
them proceed uh with with with with empowered
ability to be able to make that decision for themselves.
And I said,
look,
um You guys don't need to go back to school for 6th grade if you would like,
uh we can sit down,
we can take the next month.
You guys can map out for me everything that you actually want to be doing,
all your passions,
your interests,
the things that really light you up,
the things that that you're that you're truly curious about.
And I will surround you with as many books and
tutors and activities and toys and games and anything that you would
need to actually pursue,
the things that you're actually interested in.
Uh and uh and you know,
a lot less curriculum,
a lot less test taking.
I just want you guys to be able to live your passion.
And they took a couple of weeks,
they talked about amongst themselves.
The thing they were most nervous about was not seeing their friends,
no surprises there.
Um,
and once they realized that they would get to see their friends
and you know,
they're,
they're immersion and other extracurriculars like sports camps and wilderness survival camps and tennis
camps and you know,
Jiu Jitsu and,
and you know,
trampoline parks,
not all all the things that they love to do now allow them to,
to see their friends quite a bit,
uh,
if not more than than many Children who are formally educated.
So they took me up on the offer and opted to begin
doing what they do now,
which is kind of a form of homeschooling called unschooling,
which involves uh paying close attention
to and keeping your finger on the pulse of a child's passions
and interests and curiosities and then surrounding them with as many resources as
they might need to engage in those passions.
What I mean by that is for example their their math curriculum all last summer was
building a tree fort,
right?
We we had them working with a local contractor who come to the house a couple of times a week,
they learned woodworking,
they learned geometry,
you know,
they got a little p and along the way,
they learned about trees.
Uh,
they learned,
um,
you know,
just just,
you know,
math and social studies and in a wide variety of skills by building a tree fort.
Um,
their,
their current chemistry and math curriculum is largely all based around a cooking podcast that they
do.
They create amazing meals a few times a month.
They research those meals in many cases,
if those meals are,
you know,
from some,
you know,
of,
of some ethnic variety,
you know,
whether it's japanese or italian or whatever,
there's some social studies worked in,
there's some language learning worked in um if they
are doing that cooking project,
in many cases,
there's there's plant foraging involved,
uh,
you know,
there's,
they do butchering,
they do field dressing of animals,
you know,
and harvest their own meat uh,
by,
by doing bow hunting.
And so,
so that's the educational model that we use for
for our Children.
And I think it's it's a really,
really good way to create a,
a creative,
freethinking,
resilient young human who can adapt to just about any situation that life
might throw at them and who are also self actualized actually able to live their passions,
live their hobbies and be immersed in what they're actually interested in.
Not necessarily something that someone's forcing down their throat learning at the
same pace as the rest of the classroom,
taking tests that frankly in the,
in the era of Internet search engines and and the ability for
for facts and memorization to really be outsourced to
to technology.
Um really frees up a lot of,
lot of their their mind power for creativity.
And you know,
there are there are books that I really found useful in
learning how to do this and put it together.
Like one book that's pretty good or a relatively relevant new book is called
Unschooling to University.
There is another very good book called Free To Play,
but but it's just this,
this idea that Children should be engaged in in creative,
free play,
pursuing their passions and interests and we simply surround them with as many tips
and tools and tactics and tutors that allow them to be
immersed in what it is that they want to learn.
Now there are,
there are a couple of subtle nuances Uh such as the fact that sometimes
a child doesn't know what they don't know right?
For example,
let's take a math for example.
I don't know many Children who wake up in the morning and think,
Hey,
I want to study math today.
However,
I don't want my Children turning 18 deciding that they want to be an astronaut
and go explore mars or B.
A b.
A surgeon and attend medical school.
And all of a sudden turn around to me and say,
hey dad,
I,
I failed my college entrance exam.
I can't even get into any of these programs because you never told me I need to learn math.
Right?
And so so I certainly make sure that they are aware that there are some skills that they might
not really really want to do but that are gonna serve them well Later in
life.
And so that's one thing to consider.
The other thing to consider is that most states in America have a requirement
for a core set of curricula that a child must demonstrate proficiency in.
Or at least must demonstrate that they that they have engaged in studying during the course of
that year.
For example I live in the state of Washington.
There are 12 key curricula that a child must study during the
course of the school year.
The things that you might expect Math,
reading,
writing social studies et cetera.
And so we keep very close records and so
it's pretty easy to be flexible and creative with these of course like I mentioned,
you know building a tree for it is you know math and social studies and P.
E.
You know cooking and amazing risotto is chemistry and social studies and math
and reading and writing.
You know working on their comic book that they love to to draw and each day
is um you know that counts as art and as social studies and as
reading and as writing and so you know we we simply make sure that we keep good records about
everything the kids have been immersed in so we can show they're getting a well rounded education and not
just a little true wants you know Digging around at home Barefoot in the garden with mom.
But that's that's our general educational approach with the Children.
And probably one very important thing that I should throw in there is that since the age of
six every summer multiple times per summer they're immersed in
a wilderness survival school and camp with,
with a local company called Twin Eagles,
a wilderness school and this involves nature awareness,
bird language,
tree identification,
plant foraging.
Um,
in some cases,
some extra curricular components of that program include hunting,
field dressing,
butchering,
you know,
preparing wild game,
preparing wild plants from the forest and essentially learning to not only
survive but to,
to live off of the planet Earth,
to be aware of the planet Earth to care for the planet Earth.
And so,
um right now they're preparing in that same program to go through their first rite of
passage into adolescence,
which will involve surviving on their own in the wilderness,
you know,
with a backpack and a wool blanket and a knife.
And uh,
and so by the time they're 14 years old,
they'll be able to,
to really truly be able to be comfortable in nature,
survive in the wilderness and have an appreciation and awareness for
nature and this planet that I think a lot of Children aren't able to have.
And so so that's our that's our general educational model.
So how much work is this for you and your wife?
How much of your day does this take?
So the model that we've set up is we have
recruited certain people to help with the unschooling process.
We have one virtual assistant,
she helps to map out the school year in
terms of,
you know,
uh taking interest that the child has
expressed their passion for And weaving those
into the year so that the kid doesn't have an attack will like 12 different things at
once,
like,
like they were interested in in finances and investing.
And so even though they expressed an interest in that two months ago,
you know,
the assistant that we're working with almost almost as a um kind of
like,
like a manager of the Children's education.
She'll block out,
I think this august through november for them to be learning the
stock market,
learning crypto uh learning,
learning money,
learning,
learning how the Federal Reserve works,
how banking systems work,
how money operates the history of money,
et cetera.
And just basically she does the research about really good books on that topic
documentaries,
has conversations with me and mom typically about once a week.
And so the kids at that point we'll be able to,
for example,
take some of the money that they've that they've earned via their business,
which is a cooking podcast.
And by the end of that block they'll actually start to do their own investing,
put their money where their mouth is,
so to speak and take some of those skills and apply them in the real world.
That's just one example.
But we have a virtual assistant helps a lot of planning and scheduling and
organizing so we can kind of plan out what fits where and when we're going to do certain things during the
year.
And then we also have an assistant who hangs out at our
house from about well 10 in the morning until around six in the evening.
And she helps out with things like,
you know,
driving the kids to jiu jitsu or two tennis or to the museum or to the
library.
She helps them stay on task during the day with certain things that they might be
immersed in.
Such as,
hey,
you're,
you're going to be meeting with an online spanish tutor at this time.
And then we're going to a mexican restaurant afterwards to try to order our entire
meal in spanish or we're going to be,
you know,
creating some type of,
you know,
seafood pasta for for dinner tonight and you know,
social thing to the grocery store and practice their math skills,
selecting all the different groceries and go shopping,
come home,
prepare a meal that's relevant to what they might have learned in spanish that morning.
And so we essentially kind of like have like two main helpers who assist with a lot
of the components of their education.
And then um I do all of their physical disciplines,
meaning I plan out their workouts to workouts with them,
do breathwork with them,
do sauna and,
and cold with them.
Uh do you know weight training with them,
do bow hunting and both shooting with them help them practice some of the wilderness survival skills that they're
learning.
So I'm a little bit more of the physical education component.
And then I also,
um,
do all their spiritual disciplines with them teaching them meditation,
journaling,
gratitude,
prayer,
scripture,
immersion and those are the two areas that I've identified as the areas I am most
passionate to want to teach them about.
So at the same time mom sits a lot with the things that she's
really passionate about and good at.
So that would be like art,
animal husbandry.
Um,
you know,
caring for the yard,
caring for the home.
Um,
you know,
some elements of,
of cooking,
cleaning,
just a lot of the domestic things she teaches them.
And so we tag team those aspects and just about everything else is,
is outsourced to tutors and teachers and assistants.
What's astounding to me is your first off.
If there is reincarnation,
I want to come back as one of your kids.
What's astounding to me is I don't want you as a child because my wine
bill here,
wine bill would go up the uh would be kicked out of that class.
So what you're describing is really
revolutionary and I'm sitting here thinking of the
absurdity that it's ready,
that it's revolutionary.
It's like what you're doing is actually preparing your
kids to be humans to take care of themselves.
And the fact that that's revolutionary is really embarrassing to us as a
society.
Um,
you more than anybody I know or a spectacular blend
of,
of someone who could live in the wilderness and yet you're surrounded by technology.
You want to talk a little bit about how you utilize technology and
also how you protect yourself from it.
Well,
you know,
it is true.
You know,
I,
I kind of have this flavor in terms of my own approach to health to wellness to
life that you know,
I have one ft planted in the realm of ancestral science and uh
ancestor wisdom.
You know,
trying to learn as much from everything from the blue zones,
to indigenous hunter gatherer tribes,
to ira better medicine,
to traditional chinese medicine,
to nature immersion to,
you know,
native american practices and try to weave a lot of that natural living into
my day to day existence.
Yet at the same time,
you know when I take a nap in the middle of the afternoon,
I'll climb into a hyperbaric oxygen chamber and you know,
I got laser lights here in my office that I,
that I shine in my body while I'm having my morning cup of coffee and going through emails and
you know,
I have a business that much of which is run online.
So I certainly embrace technology.
There are probably uh two primary elements of technology that
I do exercise a great deal of caution around,
however,
um and I kind of have to litmus tests that determine whether or not I'm going to use a
particular piece of technology.
Uh One is the amount of non native E.
M.
F.
That one might be exposed to when using said technology.
We do not live in a smart home.
Our home is a stupid home.
I mean there are no smart appliances,
there's no wifi.
Everything is is hard wired with cat six metal shielded ethernet cable.
Um There's,
you know,
all natural lighting and every bulb in the house is incandescent lighting,
which more simulates the natural spectrum of sunlight.
Then say like modern fluorescent led lighting.
Um We have house plants all over the house like english ivy and
peace lily that come from the study that Nasa did called the clean air study that
shows certain plants act as natural scrubs for the air that you're breathing.
Um,
we get our water from a,
from a well and uh,
and drink,
you know,
all,
all natural water and,
and we have very,
very low levels will be called E.
M.
F.
In in our home and that the same would apply any wearables.
I use any technologies,
et cetera essentially if it can be placed in airplane mode or hardwired,
I do it because the human body is a battery and in our modern
era,
obsessed with technology and constant connectivity,
we often fail to acknowledge the fact that for every cell in your body to operate
properly,
there must be a proper electrochemical balance across
the cells membrane.
Your body is in essence a human battery.
There needs to be somewhat of a negative charge on the interior side of that cell membrane and
somewhat of a positive charge on the exterior.
And any time we're exposed to hefty amounts of electricity and by electricity,
I'm not referring to lightning or the natural low levels of electricity that the earth emits or
that you might be exposed to when you're swimming in the ocean or walking barefoot on the beach
or even getting exposed to mild amounts of,
you know,
UV A and UV B radiation from sunlight.
What I'm talking about,
you know,
those are all frequencies that are measured and essentially,
you know,
hurts,
you know,
like the Earth.
And it's a natural frequency of anywhere from 10 to 100 hertz or
really close to about 3,
200 hertz.
We're talking about like gigahertz and frequencies there are billions of times greater
than what we would be exposed to naturally and also are
oscillating at a very predictable ratio.
Very,
very much unlike the natural variation in oscillating ratios we'd
see went outdoors.
Thus dictating the fact that if we are constantly exposed to a lot of these technologies that utilize
Wi fi,
bluetooth etcetera,
we are essentially causing the interior of the cells to become more
positively charged,
less negatively charged,
which drastically affects cellular metabolism,
detoxification,
uh you know neural firing,
a host of issues that dictate that you do need to be careful with constant
connectivity and constant exposure to EMF.
So I'm very cognizant and aware of that in terms of the choices I make based around
the technologies that I may or or may not use.
So that's one thing that I take into account.
The other is of course more of the social implications of technologies
and by that I am referring to um you know social media,
a lot of the apps that we might use,
a lot of the things that cause that dopamine urgent response that has a highly addictive
potential and back to education,
that also um it dictates the type of activities that
even my Children are involved in or the type of tools they might use,
for example,
you know,
they don't do a lot on on facebook and instagram and twitter and tic tac
and Snapchat.
They don't really don't know,
they don't know how to use many of those platforms,
not because I want them to be a little Luddite,
but because I think that at this point in their life,
that protecting their rapidly dividing neurons from hefty exposure to EMF
and protecting their awareness of how to how to truly connect with
people in the flesh and blood,
looking them in the eyes,
touching them,
Being with people is far more important than having a large number of digital
relationships.
And so even for their podcast,
which is technically an online business where people are digesting media and content that they
create online,
they have a social media manager,
you know,
they pay somebody like $400 a month uh,
from what they make from sponsor ads and things like that in their podcast to do all their social
media for them,
right,
facebook instagram everything.
So all they have to do when they're,
you know,
crafting whatever,
you know,
surf and turf,
lobster tail and steak recipe in the kitchen is take a wonderful photo of that and then they
just basically upload that to their social media manager and he takes care of the rest
because,
and I operate my business the same way.
I'm just very cautious about the amount of time I spend on addictive
or potentially unhealthy relationship producing
um technologies,
particularly via,
via social media.
So yeah,
I uh I embrace technology,
but some elements of technology,
I'm certainly quite quite cautious around and I try to balance quite a bit
with being outdoors,
being in the sunshine,
being outdoors barefoot and having as closer connection with the planet Earth as I can.
You know,
it's really interesting is as I slowly
moved toward more of a lifestyle like yours and
being driven out through social media through social
unrest.
So things that are causing me to to want to have myself prepared
more,
I just like this is just the way you live.
It's,
you know,
by the way I had,
you know,
when you stayed at my house and wouldn't get in my sauna because it had,
it was not good for E.
M.
S.
And when I'm in that that's gonna because it's healthy.
I did replace my sauna after you left.
So you're you're not you know,
a little safer place.
And you also wouldn't use our microwave in our house.
And we were careful careful of the dishes that you use.
Not because microwaving food is bad for the food.
It's not dehydrates the food a little bit.
But you don't have to worry about micro does your food is not gonna turn your food into like,
you know,
some kind of a some some kind of a castle of green glowing eyeballs.
What happens is when your microwave is in your house,
you have plugged in not being used.
That's another source of non native E.
M.
F.
In this case microwave radiation,
your body is constantly exposed to those levels increase exponentially when you're using your microwave.
So if you own one is plugged in at least walk out of the room when it's on.
But yeah,
these are little things that I take into account because they add up,
you know,
how we live our days is how we live our lives.
And these are staples in our house,
there staples that ourselves are constantly exposed to.
I'm continually amazed by how much you walk your talk
for anybody doesn't know.
Ben has one of the top fitness podcast that you can listen to.
And uh,
if you're interested in health,
that is a spectacular resource,
uh he eventually talks to everybody that's doing cutting edge things.
So if somebody is interested in schooling,
their Children like yours and I know you gave the two books as reference.
Are there any groups as anybody gathering?
Is there a tribe around unschooling?
Well,
you know,
most,
most communities have very good homeschooling collectives
or homeschooling groups that also embrace those who might not
traditionally home school,
which would mean,
you know,
ordering a set of curriculum and gathering on the kitchen table and setting out of books.
It's kind of like what traditional homeschooling is like taking the formal education model
and moving into the home a little bit different than on schooling,
which involves very little curriculum and very much hands on experience and
life experience.
Yeah,
at the same time,
the two forms of alternative education tend to get along quite
well.
And so if you were to search in your community for
homeschooling groups,
homeschooling collectives etcetera,
typically you can find several different forums or even facebook
groups or you know uh opportunities that allow you to kind of tap in
to the local community.
And so um you know,
we we have certainly used those resources,
you know,
the boys go to,
you know homeschool trampoline jumping hour a couple of times that the local trampoline jumping
facility and they'll have certain certain art
groups that they'll that they'll go and join for like a painting afternoon.
Like I mentioned,
they take part in that wilderness survival school there in summers and then the Children immersed in that are
also home schooled or unschooled and so I can't say there's any one
specific website that I rely upon.
However,
typically,
you know,
a search engine in what you're just searching for homeschooling groups plus the name of your city or homeschooling
collective plus the name of your city.
Usually you turn up some some pretty good groups and you know,
homeschooling is growing by leaps and bounds obviously during the,
during the covid pandemic.
So it's typically not too difficult thought to hunt down groups and those groups often have
very good resources as well um to learn more from there
also a ton of different on schooling podcasts out there.
You know,
if you open your podcast player and type of unschooling,
you're going to find like a dozen different podcasts that that go through everything
from um you know,
tips on resources and tutors and models
and strategies and so I think that that podcast can be a wonderful free tool to
bring yourself up to speed as well.
Okay,
last question for this series,
Endgame,
we've been talking a lot about mindset,
but we haven't really talked about spirituality and you're somebody that I know
that weaves spirituality into your,
into your life,
into your family,
your Christianity,
your gratitude practice.
I just got your new christian gratitude journal or new spiritual gratitude
journal to close this out,
can you talk about that and how you,
how you practically implement that in your life?
Look,
you know,
when I write about the spiritual disciplines where I create something like a spiritual
disciplines journal,
Jeff,
I'm scratching my own itch.
And the reason for that is I spent many,
many years of my life by all worldly measures by all
objective measurements at the top of my game,
top of my game,
physically mentally,
financially romantically.
Um you know,
I had a lot going for me by,
by outsider perspective,
yet inside I was very unfulfilled,
I was very unhappy probably up until about nine years ago,
constantly searching,
you know,
what's this workout,
the next body type,
the next diet,
the next supplement,
the next hack,
the next plant medicine retreat.
You know what's what's gonna finally be the thing that allows me to find that ultimate and
lasting fulfillment and I was largely disconnected from what I would consider to
be a true relationship with God and a
true system utilization of growing myself spiritually,
you know,
Augustine and the author Pensees,
they both refer to this god shaped abyss in our soul,
this god shaped hole that we can dump toys and cars and homes and
money and sex and hobbies and friends and activities into.
But at the end of the day,
no matter how much of that,
we successfully pour into that hole.
No matter how high we climb the mountain of success,
we're never ultimately fulfilled until we fill that hole with what does feel it,
which is God.
And I really discovered that for me,
the path to that fulfillment involved deep weaving systematic
weaving of the spiritual disciplines in my life,
not only those things that might come to mind for people who are familiar with religion or with Christianity or
Catholicism or orthodoxy,
such as bible reading and prayer,
but also journaling meditation,
a gratitude practice,
uh,
evening self examination or good have I done this day?
What could have done better this day service in the local community relationship,
building family dinners at your home,
having people over?
Uh,
and,
and uh,
you know,
this,
this idea of weaving the spiritual disciplines in one's life with as much rigor as one
might,
we've say,
the physical disciplines,
your morning run or your morning workout or the mental disciplines,
caring for your mind,
learning new things,
right?
We all hear about neural plasticity and imports of caring for our brain to stave off Alzheimer's and
dementia.
Yet for many of us are our soul,
arguably the one most important part of us,
the part that will go on and live far after this physical body has faded,
it's shrinking up.
It shriveled,
it's neglected.
It's something that we don't actually care for and upon
experiencing the deep fulfillment and happiness and the closer union with
God that I derived from weaving these spiritual disciplines in my own life,
you know,
I had to scratch my own itch,
you know,
so I create a journal.
I mean,
my family used,
I create a system where,
you know,
not a day will go by,
where I didn't prioritize the spiritual disciplines is the very first thing I do each day and the very last
thing I do each night.
Um,
you know,
until I really began to do that,
I wasn't really happy and fulfilled.
Now,
you know,
let's say I break my leg or I lose a few brain cells or you
know,
I,
I start to just lose my body and my brain,
I'm still happy because my spirit is strong,
my spirit is cared for,
my soul is fulfilled.
I filled that God schiphol with God and my deepest hope is that is that
somehow through my work others can discover that same happiness,
fulfillment,
peace,
love,
joy and hope that's poured into my life and my family's life as a result of that practice.
Ben,
that was spectacular.
This is my favorite interview is always my last interview,
but of all the times we've interviewed,
doing lots of different topics,
This is my favorite interview.
Thank you so much.
Well thank you Jeff and again,
that's probably because I'm not wearing pants.
I bet it has nothing to do with it.
Although I apparently that is when you're at your best.
Hey,
great to see you,
thank you so much.
Hey,
good to see you man.
Thanks.
I actually considered maybe I should get dressed like Ben was for the interview when I come out of this but I thought
I probably shouldn't.
So anyway,
I'm really glad you're here for that interview.
Ben is just an enigmatic and entertaining character,
but he's also someone with great depth of knowledge,
insight and expertise.
So I'm glad you're here to see it.
I am a great
admirer of people who marched to the beat of their own drum.
People who are original thinkers,
people who don't just follow the trends and follow the
headlines but have deep ability to look at
information,
dive even deeper into it and then draw their own
conclusions and then be willing to take a stand on them and share them publicly.
And that is how I would describe dr thomas cowan.
Dr cowan is a very bright individual as you will see shortly
and he is someone that's willing to see things differently and
justify his conclusions based on his intellectual and
academic journey to get him to those conclusions,
but he's able to communicate in a way that you and I can understand.
So,
anyway,
this is a really special interview.
It's exploring subjects in a way that you haven't seen anywhere else,
and I have to tell you it's compelling.
There's also a spiritual message here in this interview that I believe is very important about living your
life.
So,
without trying to give too much of it away,
let's jump into my interview with dr thomas cowan.
Tom thanks so much for taking the time to have this conversation with us.
It's OK,
good to meet you.
So,
you've been in our series in the past,
but talking about different subjects and uh this one's kind of uh I
think really a growing area of interest and it is very much aligned
with the series that we're doing now.
But before we get into that,
let's talk a little bit about your background,
if you can kind of tell us your academic and career trajectory.
So I grew up sort of normal,
you know?
My father was a dentist,
they all his friends were doctors,
seemingly,
I didn't really like what they were doing,
you know what I was seeing,
So I tried to do anything but be a doctor.
So I went to College of Duke,
didn't really like that.
So I joined the Peace Corps to teach gardening there,
believe it or not,
I was given books by about Western Price or by Western Price and
Rudolf Steiner and it hit me that the type of doctor that I didn't want to be
was not the only type of doctor there was.
I of course didn't know that before,
you know,
how would I know?
Um So then I decided I would be a doctor because it turned out I was very
interested in the subject,
especially food and healing and life and stuff,
so that I went to medical school,
michigan state,
went to family practice residency.
The first year there was a child in our clinic who basically
was vaccinated at two months with DPT and I think or
polio,
I think they died a couple days later and they lied about it.
They lied to the parents,
they didn't report it,
which it didn't shock me at the time because I already was
familiar with the rap a little bit,
but to just see it right in front of my eyes was let's just say
disconcerted.
And I just I basically quit after a year because I
didn't want to be part of that So that I Essentially I worked
part time in the er for 10 years,
you know,
the last 37 years I had a basically uh I guess you call it a
holistic family practice.
And for whatever reason,
my destiny is to not believe basic science
and to see for myself whether it's true.
And so I wrote a book that the heart doesn't pump the blood.
And here's a whole another way that the blood moves,
even though everybody thinks it does blocked arteries don't cause most heart
attacks.
And here's what does cancer is not a genetic disease,
and here's what it is.
And then finally,
you know,
unlike what everybody thinks there are no pathogenic viruses.
In other words,
viruses do not cause disease.
It's basically easy to prove that you just have to look at the science.
So have you always been a contrarian?
Uh you know,
growing up,
where did this sort of evolve as you got into practice?
And we're kind of reconciling what you learned in school versus what you're experiencing in clinical practice.
I think my mother would say when I was two,
I was a contrary early start,
early start.
She said to me one of her favorite things to say.
And I was,
I like my mother.
Um,
she said,
if you don't have anything good to say,
don't say anything.
So until I was eight,
I never said anything good.
Then he took me to a psychiatrist and he said,
well,
someday he'll talk when he has something to say.
You most certainly thought things that didn't you?
I think I did,
I don't remember,
but I couldn't think of anything good to say.
So anything I,
well,
so this,
there's a kind of a collision of areas of
consideration or expertise here because the first one is,
you know,
you witnessed firsthand the vaccine agenda,
which literally turned you off as you just described and now we're living in a
world where you know,
there's this rollout of a vaccine in an unprecedented way,
secondly,
um,
the whole theory of viruses being the cause of disease,
you know,
are part and parcel of how they're inflicting this agenda on us and and the tyrannical
measures and censorship and everything else.
They want anybody to think any differently than what's happening.
And this all culminates into now saying things
are getting to a point maybe a fever pitch where we have to start
considering prepping for maybe a really bad time.
And you happen to have this the sort of segued as a
part of your career trajectory and gardening,
which is probably a pretty important thing right now.
My wife who is very much in the garden and say,
hey,
you can buy seeds right now.
I mean there's there's a lot of stuff going on making you know that our people are starting to
think in ways and take actions that they haven't at least in my lifetime.
So uh,
so can you,
I guess number one,
do you feel that there's,
we're in a threatening environment,
um,
you know,
in the way that you see it and number two from there,
how can we start to take control of our own food supply as individual households?
Well,
as far as whether we're in a threatening environment,
answers yes.
Uh,
in an unprecedented way,
as far as I can see in human history,
because there is a very clear and I think I can
describe exactly the biology of the agenda,
which is called trans humanism,
which is essentially switching us from a water based system
to a court space system.
And let me just throw that out.
And if you want we can talk about it.
But please you can't don't teach us well,
basically biological systems.
So let me back up a little bit.
There's two types of holographic crystals in nature.
Holographic crystal means a geometric form which is identical
to the smallest part in the biggest part and the function of holographic
crystals is to download information.
So actually there are like radio antennas are our
processors of information from the world.
And so the two main examples are water crystals which
form these coherent called structured water and
courts crystals which are the basis of computers.
Each of them can download infinite number of bits of information.
So in water crystals which is the basis of biology,
anything from thoughts,
feelings,
hormones,
electromagnetic fields,
etcetera.
Get downloaded essentially onto the water crystal.
And then the water crystal subtly changes its form to be a
more perfect crystalline structure.
Now,
in contrast,
a court's crystal downloads all this information on a
computer,
but instead of transforming,
it just adds more bits of information.
And so the question I've asked myself for a decade,
why aren't we made of courts?
Because courts lives for 1000 years?
It doesn't get sick,
it's much more stable.
And why isn't biology based on courts?
And it's a very simple answer because courts can't grow,
it can't feel it can't think it can't transform and it
can evolve into a more perfect being.
And that's what we call life.
Only water can do that.
That's why water is the basis of life.
Now.
The agenda that we're facing in my opinion is simply
to to make us into courts based beings
for various reasons.
Let's not get into the reasons and because then you're
stable and maybe you won't have such and such happened to you.
But personally,
I want no part of that existence,
because if I can't feel,
and if I can't think,
and if I can't grow into being a better person and if I can't get sick
and allow that to impact how I see the world,
then I don't want any part of this.
Well,
I think in large part that's very relevant as far as,
you know,
taking kind of a step back philosophically and you know,
trying to understand the nature of being a human being.
And of course these are big ontological,
you know,
questions and issues,
but the thing,
and I'm trying to remember the japanese researcher that demonstrated,
I believe in his book,
uh yeah,
right,
where you can literally look at the structure of water as a human being is emoting
prayer or gratitude or anger.
And and you know,
clearly demonstrated that the,
you know,
the water structure changes based on what's being emoted,
so it has this adaptive ability.
Um and uh and I guess the,
it's infinite in the ways that it can uh you know,
sort of expressed as compared to being locked in like a quartz crystal.
But I I've never heard that sort of that premise
relative to,
you know,
the two paths of control and tyranny versus your creativity and
expression,
you know,
of human beings.
So it's a really interesting model that's quite unique.
I hope you write extensively on it if you haven't already,
and that's why our brains,
you know,
our body.
So again,
here's what I'm gonna throw this out there.
But and for people who question what I'm about to say,
I would say you you absolutely have to read the work of a guy named Harold
Tillman.
He was a biologist in England and he proved that the only
things that are actually real and a living cell are very
thin membrane organized water,
a little bit of minerals and amino acids and lipids,
mitochondria and nuclear and the rest of the ribosomes and
golgi apparatus and end of plastic particular.
All those are artifacts of electron microscopy staining
techniques.
So we don't we are just basically organized water
crystals.
And the relevance of that is that were essentially that
organized water crystal accepts influence from the sun and the moon
et cetera.
That creates life even to the point where,
believe it or not,
there are no ribosomes.
So there's nowhere for RNA to be translated into protein.
And anyways there's 20,000 genes 250,000
proteins,
which means there's at least 200,000 proteins not coded
for by any gene.
Now,
if you think about that,
that ruins the whole basis of genetic biology because we're
told that every protein is coded for it by a gene.
The reality is the proteins believe it or not are made de novo,
which means a new based on the consciousness and
interacting with the water and that organizes the amino acids to
create the structure that is living being so well.
And of course that's that's more of a vital is stick view of human
biology,
which is,
well,
I'm trying to use different words but it's antithetical to the,
you know,
the current model.
Again,
not familiar with this biologists work,
but it's fascinating to say that these things are artifacts.
Yeah,
I've got a lot of basic science,
you know,
education and uh,
you know,
that this is uh,
this is something disruptive to what is being taught.
Let's just say that.
So now if we take this view of
human biology,
we understand that the world politically is getting to be a threatening place.
Is you put it unprecedented maybe in the history of humanity,
which is a pretty scary thought.
And now we want to somehow say,
I've got to get organized with myself and my family around
preparing for potential disaster,
food shortage,
water shortage,
etcetera.
And a part of what I don't know how to do because it's been so convenient for so long just to show up at a grocery store and
buy food.
But maybe I've got to create a garden and become self sufficient in my ability
to,
uh,
you know,
to create,
you know,
sources of food for myself and my family.
How does one get started from pretty much zero to
creating a sustainable garden?
You know,
let me just say with all due respect,
Patrick,
uh,
I don't think that's the best use of my time to address
that question.
I mean,
I'm a sort of an amateurish,
a little bit more higher level than that Gardner and there's lots of people who know
that,
who know how to do things like that.
Because the real,
the answer that I would give is in order to get
anywhere with what's happening now,
your first step is to clear yourself of the delusions of what
you're told is happening.
And that starts with absolutely eradicating the
idea that there is some virus out there that is
that is a threat to your health because as long as you're walking
around with what I would call that delusion or you're under that
spell,
I don't care how much garden,
how many characters seed you plant or how many sheep you you
know you try to raise its not going to get you anywhere because
you're walking around under a misconception which is basically
driving the whole world.
So I I actually think that that that is the central issue now.
I don't expect uh anybody to just on the face of it.
Believe me that a there is no virus b there are no
pathogenic i.
E.
Disease causing viruses But I can prove it to you in 10 minutes.
We'll prove it to me.
All right so I've been on lots of calls with lots of people and recently I was
on a call with a bunch of people sort of big shots in this world
And they were very unhappy with me saying there are no this is
not a virus and viruses and pathogenic.
So they invited some virologist and actually a guy who was
Chinese fellow who is a senior virologist for the Chinese CDC and
Wuhan for 20 years And then a Yale pathology virologist
for 20 years and quote expert in laboratory
virology and he was invited to prove tom wrong.
Right.
So I've been up against some people who supposedly know about
virology.
Right?
So here's the thing.
Now I asked them,
how do you know a new virus exists and then
causes disease.
Right to me that's the equivalent.
If you're going to hire a baker you ask them,
how do you make a loaf of bread and you start with flour and you mix water and if he
doesn't know that you're not gonna hire in the to be your baker.
Right.
So that's a fundamental question.
Now,
if you ask 99% of laypeople,
how does a virologist know that there's a new virus that causes disease?
They say,
well,
a lot of people got sick in the same place,
that must mean it's a virus or a lot of people got sick and then it spread all
over europe into Italy and then to new york city and that must mean it's a
virus.
Or my aunt Bessy went to a show or a church and a bunch of people were
sick and then she got sick and that must mean it's a virus.
Now,
the first thing I would say is if you think that a lot of people get sick in the same place means it's a
virus,
you must think Hiroshima was a virus.
Uh and if you think that because it spreads it must be a virus.
You must think Chernobyl was a virus.
Or for hundreds of years sailors got sick on a ship,
one after another,
their teeth fell out,
they went into heart failure,
they thought it was some contagion.
And then somebody ate a lemon or a line and and it all went away because it
turns out it was scurvy.
Uh and the point is those are all called
epidemiological observations.
And there is no scientists in the world who thinks you can prove causation
or existence of a virus with epidemiology.
The purpose of epidemiology is to suggest
hypotheses that can then be tested.
And so I say,
I agree we should check to see if there's some contagious,
right?
So I don't need any more my Aunt Bessy stories or this person or that
person,
none of that is relevant to this discussion.
Now,
the next question is how did they show it?
Now?
I'm going to give you how they should show it and then how they did do show.
Okay,
here's how you would think and how 99% of
medical doctors think you take a person or a bunch of people or
animals who are sick,
Right.
They all have the same symptoms.
You take some fluid from them,
like lung fluids or secretions or blood or urine or something.
And you do laboratory techniques and you find the virus,
right?
You find a hundreds thousands,
maybe millions of copies of the same particle.
Because we're talking about a thing,
right?
Not a feeling or an emotion.
We're talking about a protein coding with a genetic interior that's a
virus.
And so we find the thing and then we we
characterize it and find what it's made of The steps in doing that are
take lung fluid and then macerate it.
Right?
Put it in a blender because that breaks down the cells.
Put it through a filter paper.
You can say what the poorer sizes and that gets rid of the cells
and the debris and the fungus and all you have is liquid with
toxins,
viruses.
You know DNA RNA a bunch of stuff in it liquid.
It's like making coffee,
grind the coffee,
put it through a filter,
then you have coffee.
Then you put it through an ultra centrifuge and it's spin things out
by molecular weight.
And the viruses come out in a band.
Right?
This is like two g.
Right here you suck it out,
look at it under a microscope.
They're all the same size,
they're all the same molecular weight,
they're all the same genetic material.
They all have the same sequence.
And that's how you isolate a virus.
Everybody agrees with that.
Now here's the next step.
That process has never been done with any pathogenic virus.
Yeah you could say you don't agree with that but here's the people who
do agree with that the C.
D.
C.
All of the National Health Institutes of all the governments of the world that we've
asked.
We've asked for HIV Ebola SARS cov two.
Do you have a isolates of the virus taking from any
living human being?
Any sick person?
They said no the robert Koch institute and the chinese
virologist.
Yeah they all agree that has never been done now.
There's two reasons why it's never been done.
one is you can't do it right.
But the fact of the matter is it's been done thousands of times with something
called bacteriophages which are the same size,
same molecular weight,
same protein,
same genetic material.
They have been isolated from bacterial cultures for 80 years
and they all have the same size,
same shape,
same Contents etc.
This is not a technical difficulty.
It's simply these viruses are not there.
Everybody agrees to them.
That's an important point.
Now when you ask them,
why can't you find this virus in any there's not a
published study in the history of medical literature.
And I will re can everything I say if you find one of a
single identical isolated particles called viruses from
any sick person,
they say there's not enough virus to isolate.
And so we asked him what about if you took 10,000 people and you put it in a viral
concentrator And you collected the 10,000 people and he said
not enough you have to concentrate.
And we asked him what about 100,000 people?
He said not enough,
you have to concentrate.
So let's be clear in the way that all of us think as
isolation and identification it's not there.
Now.
The other reason they say is well viruses are intracellular
parasites and you can't see it because it's in the cell.
Right?
You've heard that.
And then I asked him so how does it go from a person to a person?
He said well it gets out of the cell and then goes to the next person.
I said why don't you catch it then?
And that was the end of the discussion.
So these are ridiculous excuses for this.
Now that was how you should once you identify it
isolated you expose an animal to it and see if they get sick in the same
way that hasn't been done because they have never isolated the virus.
But now there are I'll take a guess here.
200,000 papers in the medical literature including one right
here called isolation and sharing of the
2019 novel Sars-Cov-2 virus.
200,000 papers claiming they isolated the virus.
And so people,
medical doctors will show me this and say you're wrong here's
isolation.
But they haven't actually read the paper.
So here's what they did that got them to this.
So they took this paper which is one of the most important papers in the
covid crisis is from Australia.
They took one patient,
they took their lung fluid,
they filtered it right?
They put it through the filter paper and then they stopped there.
They didn't look at it,
they didn't see what they had in there.
They didn't get rid of any toxins or DNA or RNA or anything.
UnP your ified long goop.
Right then?
They mixed that with bovine fetal serum.
They mixed it with horse serum and they mixed it with amniotic fluid.
Now remember the game we're playing here is find a particle
protein coat with a genetic material.
It would seem like the last thing you would want to do is mix it with
other sources of of so called viruses.
Because how are you ever going to know what came from what?
So they mix it with those three things.
Then they spread that so called inoculated on monkey kidney
cells,
which is another rich source of genetic material and
particles and nothing happens.
So then they withdraw the nutrients.
In other words,
they starve the culture and nothing happens.
And then they mix em for Terrasson and gentamicin to
antibiotics whose side effects or toxicity that are
never throw toxic drugs,
meaning they kill kidney cells.
So what happens?
The kidney cells break down and they find all these particles in
the resultant group And that's what they call isolation of
the virus.
Now,
this started with a single paper in 1954 by a
guy named John Franklin Enders Because in 1954,
they had been through 20 years of an electron microscope and they couldn't
find any pathogenic viruses.
So this guy Enders said,
I know how to show the virus.
I can take fluid from a measles patient,
mix it with horse serum and fetal stuff,
put it on monkey kidney cells,
mix it with milk,
starve it,
poison it,
it breaks down and that's the measles virus.
And by the way,
that's what's called a live viral vaccine.
Now,
interestingly,
he did a control,
he did the whole steps except he started not with something from
somebody with measles,
He just,
you know,
did the fetal serum and mixed it with the kidney cells.
And he says in his Nobel prize winning paper,
quote,
a second agent was obtained from un inoculated culture of monkey
kidney cells.
The psychopathic changes meaning the breakdown it caused
it induced in the unstained preparation could not be distinguished from the
viruses isolated from measles.
In other words,
we got the same thing if we started with nothing and that
should have been the end of the story right then,
And people who say,
well,
yeah,
but that was 63 years ago.
Surely we can tell the difference between the breakdown
products of monkey kidney cells versus an exo genesis
outside virus.
But paper viruses,
the journal viruses,
right.
Main Journal virologist May 2020 and now they call the
breakdown of the kidney cell,
they call the extra cellular vesicles or exercise.
And they say,
quote,
the remarkable resemblance between EVs and viruses has
caused quite a few problems in the studies focused on the analysis
of EVs released during viral infections.
However,
to date,
a reliable method that can guarantee a complete separation
of EVs from viruses does not exist.
We cannot tell the difference.
The reason is because they're all coming from the breakdown of the kidney
steles or the fetal serum or the milk.
And it's a complete fooling themselves.
And I don't know if that convinced you,
but that's the whole story right there.
Well,
fascinating.
You know,
at the very least.
Um,
and certainly,
uh,
yeah,
I'm sure extraordinarily controversial because imagine
that,
let's say that you're right and that,
you know,
this is not,
uh,
you know,
we're not dealing with a contagion that that's a virus that is spreading around the world.
Were then we're moving enthusiastically in the wrong direction,
as far as our response to everything correct?
So,
so now do you have any hypotheses around
what you think is going on?
So I would only say that in my experience of talking to hundreds and
probably thousands of people now,
I used to more enthusiastically jump into that question and I will give you some
answers or some leads,
but I really encourage people to stick with what I just said,
because what I found is if you can't free yourself
of the virus delusion,
then there's no room in your mind to find out what happens.
The second thing I would say is I can only guess as to how much
money has been dedicated to the virus delusion,
let's have a conservative estimate of $10 trillion
60 years.
I don't know if you would agree with that.
I think it's more,
Yeah,
right?
Like I said,
it concerns so at least $10 trillion.
You know how much money has been actually spent to find out?
Well if it's not that what is happening to people to make them sick,
basically nothing.
So when people say well,
yeah,
tom So so show me the studies that show what happens And I
say,
yeah,
well it's like a catch 22.
There's no study.
So how am I going to show you studies that have never been done?
Because we're all based on this delusion.
But here's what's interesting about that question.
If you look at a so called viral culture.
In other words,
what I just said was that that every single
isolation,
every genetic analysis,
every variant every measure has been done on the
products of a so called viral culture like I just described.
So how do you get a tissue to break down
showing supposedly that it was a virus that broke it
down?
It's not it's how do you get it to work basically?
You starve and poison the tissue because if you just spread measles
gunk on a monkey kidneys,
sell nothing happens,
you've got to starve and poison the tissue and then it will break down.
And even what is an antiviral,
It's something that protects the tissue from breaking down.
Right?
Right,
So that's easy.
So what why do people get sick?
So I used to say there was three reasons and in the last year I've added 1/4
Number one injuries,
right?
You fall off your horse and break your leg.
So that's usually obvious.
And you can see that Number two,
same like the viral culture,
you starve yourself.
Now people have ingenious ways of starving themselves,
they can eat,
you know,
gmo food,
they can eat,
you know,
raw vegan diet,
they can do lots of things and that we have ingenious ways of starving
ourselves.
Most americans are starved.
So that's one way.
And the second way,
the 3rd way is you can poison yourself.
The types of poisoning include cyanide poisoning,
Life is sake poisoning GMO food poisoning,
electromagnetic field poisoning five G millimeter wave
poisoning.
And the biggest one is injecting yourself with
nanoparticles of heavy metals which go in and poison directly
your water,
making it scrambled so it no longer is coherent.
And then you have to make some sort of inflammatory reaction to get that
crap out of your body.
Since this year.
I've added 1/4 cause which I called delusional uh huh.
And if your thoughts are you know if you're thinking things that
just aren't true,
it affects the integrity of your crystalline water
and then you have to make a reaction to try to clarify things.
And interestingly that which we call illness is
actually the body's healing response.
Just like you get a splinter in your finger,
you make pasta that gets to splinter out.
Unfortunately medical doctors are taught that that means you have an infection and give
you antibiotics or another one.
You put cigarette debris in your lungs twice a year.
You make mucus and cough to get rid of it.
You go to the doctor and he's confused or she and gives you an
antibiotic and cough syrup.
The debris stays in your lungs.
Then you get lung cancer and they say,
I don't know why you got lung cancer must have because you smoked and because somebody
stopped you from getting it out of your lungs.
We are confused between the therapeutic response of the
body which we erroneously call sickness and that which
poisoned you.
And I would say the number one right now cause of poisoning is
injectable toxins which are going into at least half
of americans as we speak.
Yeah.
Well this is a kind of a case I think when we get this,
well if we look at through your lens mass delusion and
we have a lot of confirmation bias that you know,
human beings can't escape right?
In other words,
once you have the model,
then you look for ways to confirm it.
Um so it sounds like that might be what's going on.
So we start with theory and then we try to prove it.
Real science starts with observations like
what you know,
look at a herpes lesions,
see what you find.
I mean I've looked for a year and there is no evidence that
any kind of uniform particle that you could say is a
pathogen has come from any sick person.
If anybody disputes that,
send me the send me the reference and I'll correct myself,
I'm happy to do that.
So now given your framework and you're looking,
so there's a few things here.
One thing is saying,
my God,
there's a mass delusion going on and it literally could be destroying
the world.
Um,
and and in many ways is destroying people's lives right before our very eyes.
Uh,
and then there's extraordinary resources being spent on something that maybe
isn't true now,
given what's going on in the world right now for your own personal
safety and security and trying to say,
hey,
I want to,
I want to live into the future.
And I see some,
you know,
some storm clouds forming,
What actions are you taking just personally?
I mean,
the answer to that is I'm trying to live as human life as I
understand it as possible.
So then the question is,
what does that mean?
It means,
you know,
having regular meetings face to face in
this real way with friends and family members and community
members and groups and you know,
joining a choir and singing,
you know,
on the,
on the lawn and playing volleyball and bad mitten happen to
be good at both of those.
I try to beat everybody else.
Uh,
you know,
and I have a about an acre garden.
We have,
we're getting to sheep and a sheep dog and chickens.
And I've been a kind of master gardener sort of,
that's an exaggeration.
But close enough one year I grew £2800 of tomatoes and
for our doctor cowan's garden.
So I'm familiar with it.
So by this summer we'll have all our own eggs,
all our own vegetables.
We'll have friends who,
who who make grass fed meat and you know,
pigs that forage in the in the woods eating acorns.
Everybody has to ask themselves what does it mean to be a human
being?
And that means for me,
I have meetings with real people,
right?
And you know,
I I play games and I sing songs and I weep
and grieve and people get hurt and people get sick and you go
see them and you ask them,
is there anything I can do to help you?
And sometimes I don't know anything to help them.
And you know,
my foot hurts.
And I go to somebody who can help my foot and and if I can help somebody
else,
I do it.
I mean that's how human beings live and they're trying to
codify that institutionalize all that and make it
all online because they want us to be silica based
beings instead of water based.
Water based is flexible.
It feels it thinks it grows,
it gets sad when things happen that aren't good.
You know,
I don't want a world where I can't be sad and somebody says
oh you have depression,
you need process,
that's nonsense,
I don't want any part of that world.
So this is I think very poignant.
Uh you know the responses live right?
It's just live as a human and and that means
interaction with other humans in a in a real way as compared to in a
virtual way.
So now you you said the words and I wanted even though you you kind of wanted to avoid it,
but you know you're a master gardener that's a little bit of an
exaggeration.
Well if given the you know saying that you've grown you know,
these pretty robust amounts of different fruits and vegetables or you know,
I guess vegetables in the case you're describing.
Uh you know that that would that's an impressive feat.
Um So let me ask this,
um you also because we started a company called
Dr Cowan's Garden where we uh make dried
vegetables,
unusual types,
because I came up with the idea that I can come up with it,
but I I decided that we all eat way too few numbers of
plants and indigenous people and healthy people at 110
a year.
And they were perennials and wild vegetables.
So I started growing perennial vegetables and dehydrating them,
and that became dr Collins garden.
And then I became the head gardener and I grew tons of cale and
tomatoes and tree collards in genera.
And then I said,
I don't really want to do this uh because,
you know,
a lot of people can do that,
but I can do it right,
I know how to do that.
Now.
Here's an important question.
I think you alluded that this is somewhat communal,
meaning you are sort of collaborating maybe with
others who have special areas of expertise and
collectively you can produce,
you know,
whether somebody's doing the chickens and the eggs,
somebody's doing the garden,
somebody's got pigs foraging,
you know,
in the woods,
etcetera.
Uh Do you think that it is critical
to put together a collaboration of people who are trying to figure out for lack of a term,
how to be self sufficient or be off the grid or not,
rely on outside your food supply and to continue
to move into their futures.
The number one thing,
if you want,
if people want to do anything is figure out who in your local
place is willing to join you too create a human
life that comes first.
So who's gonna make cam Boucha,
who's gonna purify the water?
Who's gonna make sauerkraut?
Because not everybody has to make sauerkraut.
It turns out I made a lot of sauerkraut in my life,
it turns out it's much easier to make a big thing of sauerkraut,
right?
There's certain I guess they call economics of scale,
but once you get too big that it's not really good sauerkraut,
But you can make for 20 people in that approximately the same amount of time as for
one person or two.
Same with cam bushe and same with with bacon,
right?
And so once you think like that that this is how
human beings live and that's how they've always lived and they have
always formed themselves into tribes or whatever.
You know,
you can call it different names and this guy likes to sew clothes and
that woman makes porridge and this guy,
you know hunts and gets deer and this one knows how to makes grow
squash and everybody's doing out of their own interests
and out of their own,
you know,
sense of life.
Like that's like,
I don't really want to butcher pigs,
I just don't like it.
I've never done it.
So I don't really know,
but I love growing vegetables and so I do that and richard
roast pigs,
raises pigs I guess.
Yeah.
And I guess it's,
it's kind of saying,
hey,
let's assemble a mix of competencies.
Yeah,
Right.
And from that we can collaborate and thrive.
And so did you perceive that this is a potential silver lining in all this,
that it's almost forcing people at least people who are conscious maybe
more awake or alert to what's going on,
who don't say,
oh government's gonna save me.
Do you believe that?
Maybe it's it's gonna start having people go back to being human like
this again and collaborating,
interacting,
sharing competencies and thriving together.
The only thing I would say is A I don't know how this is gonna turn out and B.
I wouldn't use the word go back because there's no ever going back,
there's going forward into a human world that works for everybody now,
whether we'll choose that and whether will be allowed to choose that.
That remains to be seen.
I can tell you that when I was growing up,
we're talking now 8-10 years old.
I don't know why this was but one of my main questions was why
don't we?
And I guess I met americans then leave the native people alone.
Like not the whole thing like we could take up to the Mississippi and
they could get the other part from the west right?
Why didn't why don't we do that?
Like what's the big deal?
Like why do we need all of that stuff of you know what I mean?
Like it didn't make any sense to me.
And I finally got my answer when I read a book by Derrick Jensen who is
interesting guy and he described which I haven't corroborated but I
think it was accurate In 1825 U.
S.
Army Manual on Prisoner Exchange.
And the issue was when the U.
S.
Army uh took native people as prisoner and the native
people took us army soldiers as prisoner.
Then they would have exchanges.
So they would line up like you know and then they would say go and they would go to
the other place and that would be the exchange.
The problem was the native people would run back to their tribe and
the U.
S.
Army people wouldn't go back.
They say god I'll stay here,
we're good.
Uh So they tried to bribe them.
They would bring like their family and beautiful women and give them money,
good food,
they wouldn't go.
And that it hit me why the dominant
society can never leave the natives alone
insane with what we're going to face.
We could say yeah leave me alone,
let me do my community here.
I'll be good.
But the problem is they know that if they leave these group
of native people there that the people in the army will say,
you know what these guys seem to have a better life than we do.
I think I'll stop doing the U.
S.
Army thing.
I'm just going to go live with them and will be good.
Next thing you know they'll run over here as quick as possible to the people who
are raising sheep and vegetables and having singing parties and trying
to beat me and bad men in which they won't do.
And everybody will say yeah let's let's go with them because they're like having fun
and it's like nice you know it's like they don't even give a shit about this virus because there
isn't a virus and they don't need to have the vaccine and they don't even have cell
phones and they just talk to each other and and have
dinner parties and some of them even make good food.
You know and and that's not gonna work well
because then you have a prisoner exchange and the people who come
live with us,
they say no you know we're fine.
And the people who live with them,
they'll run over here as quick as possible.
Next thing,
you know,
they're system is falling apart and they got troubles.
I only say that not that we shouldn't do it,
but you better be savvy about it because
this even if you don't want trouble,
right?
I don't want trouble.
Just let me do what I want to do and we're good.
That's that's already trouble.
Yeah.
Well,
I think you especially know that personally.
Um,
just just for thinking the way you do.
But I have to say my my fascination meters pegged.
Um,
and you're,
you know,
you really lay out these to me.
It's almost like the paths are the human or the anti human,
you know,
those are the two potential for the computer.
Yeah.
Well,
it's the,
it's the what,
you know,
it's water versus silica.
you know what your versus silica,
So it's it's really fascinating perspective
and um,
and rings true when you start to lay it out and how it lays out in behavior
and potential futures that you could live.
Because certainly what's going on right now is um
is the anti human approach towards things separation,
shutdown,
tyranny,
economic control,
regulatory control,
doctors who have a dissenting point of view,
you know,
getting the license cancellation,
all this stuff is going on and all those things categorically are just anti
human.
And then of course this other side of saying,
I'd like to play badminton,
get together for dinner parties and connect with people.
And and one thing that you said that just like vibrates is and
sing,
you know,
a big deal.
And it's not all,
it is a big deal,
It's like,
wow,
that's that's real spiritual expression.
So not even a good singer,
I can't even sing on key.
Well,
people say,
well you stand over there because I can't keep,
you know,
I feel like hearing you.
Well,
it's still do it.
It's sort of like me playing guitar,
it's a hobby.
If I tried to make it a vocation,
I feel miserably,
but I can still enjoy the experience of it.
So it's you interacting with Actually some
would write,
somebody made that one thing.
I think maybe a synthetic thing,
but it's you're creating
life.
What's wrong with that?
That's what we're talking about here?
Well,
here's my big takeaway,
you know,
kind summarising as we have might be,
a lot of people are moving,
are sort of entering this arena.
Uh let's call it prepping.
You know,
it's a general term,
which means I gotta find my community get organized,
have people share their competencies and and and literally detach
from what's going on in the world because what's going on in the world is anti human.
But the difference now in my experience is you bring it to the table
is is it's been driven by fear of what is going on
and what might happen.
And now I'm starting to say maybe I'm the prisoner doesn't want to go back.
This is maybe something that's kind of fun and exciting as compared to uh it's a fear based
move.
It's it's maybe more of a visionary move towards something that could be a better life
than what existed pre covid.
Absolutely.
And what's not knew about this,
This story has been told for thousands of years.
This is exactly plato's allegory of the cave,
right.
And it's the story of sleeping beauty.
So let me just tell you the story of sleeping Beauty.
So there was a Canyon of Queen and they had a nice kingdom
but they had no air.
And so the kingdom couldn't go on like this.
And then they go walking and a frog which is always
the representative.
The spiritual world says we're going to bless you with a child.
So everybody is happy.
They have a dinner party.
They invite the 12 wise women of the kingdom.
Those represent the 12 signs of the Zodiac.
So the the universe is going to and they say your daughter will be
beautiful and wise et cetera And they forgot or they didn't invite
the 13th woman who is the stepmother or the witch
and she's the witch of materialism.
And so she curses the child and says the child will
pricked herself with some spindle in other words an injection
and she will fall down debt.
And the 13th which the good witch says I can't undo that spell
because it's powerful but she won't die,
she'll just go asleep.
So then the king and the queen inevitably like we do.
They try to get rid of all the spindles so they get rid of anything that could
harm the princess.
Just like we do don't see somebody else wear a mask,
get injected with poisons et cetera.
And of course it doesn't work.
And then she's 16.
She pricks herself,
she falls asleep and the whole kingdom goes into lockdown.
Nobody can work,
nobody can see anybody else.
They're all asleep under a spell just like us.
Then the kingdom gets engulfed in toxic thorns just
like us.
They sprayed in the air,
they put it in the water and the soil.
The whole kingdom is toxic thorns and people hear about the beautiful
princess.
They try to save her but they get killed by the thorns and then comes
redemption or the saving grace.
A young prince hears about it.
He says I'm going to go and save the princess of the kingdom.
And his parents say you can't do that,
I'll get killed like everybody else.
And you know what he said at that point,
go ahead.
I am not afraid.
Then the thorns melted away.
He walked in unimpeded wakes up the princess
and life goes on better than ever.
It's all about he had no fear in his heart and the
toxic thorns have no hold on him.
And that's where they've got us.
If you're afraid of a the virus be other people
see the Federal reserve the you name it,
you're you're sunk because anyways you're gonna die
anyway.
So you know and and the reality is you're actually
the important part of you isn't going to die.
So you got nothing to fear.
We all don't want to,
you know,
like fall off a cliff and you know all that of course,
but there's nothing to fear once that happens,
once you see there's no virus,
there's no contagion.
Other people don't make you sick.
Just don't starve and poison yourself.
See the world properly.
You don't need to be afraid.
The whole spell is over.
We can go on and as you say,
we can build a better world than we ever thought possible,
but we have a choice and it's not given to you freely.
That was brilliant in its scope and implications for what we're dealing with
right now.
So thanks for sharing that.
A mentor of mine wrote a book that I think was a very important
piece of work called Life Without Fear.
And uh,
and cited you uh you know,
one essay that the end said,
do you have,
do you have more faith in a spoonful of medicine than in the power that animates the living
world?
And uh you know,
and I think,
you know that is the fundamental the fundamental pathogen
is spreading of fear,
that that is the real issue.
And I think the sleeping beauty metaphor is uh
especially poignant.
I mean there it is uh there it is,
there it Is 5000 years ago.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Well,
I've been extraordinarily fascinated by everything that you've
said.
Um so I appreciate you taking the time to to share it.
And your enthusiasm for how to live is contagious and I think
it's especially needed right now.
No pun on the contagion.
Incidentally it's contagious and uh
but it's I think what the world needs right now.
So,
so thank you so much for taking the time to present this to us.
All right,
Patrick,
thanks for talking to you that completes my interview with dr thomas
cowan Again,
a beautiful soul with original thoughts and ideas that need to be
shared everywhere so that people can learn to think for themselves
to give consideration to alternative points of view and thereby really
secure their future in irrational and competent way.
So I'm glad you're here for that interview.
I really enjoyed spending my time with Dr cowan,
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Science
is very clear that millimeter waves are harmful.
Why are these going forward at breakneck speed when all of this science?
Thousands of published studies,
Patrick.
In fact,
it's been estimated 25,000 published studies on E.
M.
F.
On wireless radiation showing biological effect.
But people are finding each other.
We're saying enough is enough and coming into local government meetings and we're saying
no if if you guys aren't going to do the job and we're going to do it for
you.
So the mistake that I think a lot of people making right now is they're desperate to get into something.
They're desperate to put their money into a hard asset.
So there Over paying for a lot of the real estate that's going on right now.
There's a lot of people paying way above appraisal value,
way above asking price.
Those prices could for sure come back down.
But as far as a whole market collapse,
Psycho 708.
I mean if that happens,
I think the entire country economy has just completely gone.
But imagine a world where I could have all my value,
all my wealth stored cryptographically.
And I just know 12 words in my head and I secure that.
And I can take that with reportedly anywhere I want,
nobody can take it from me.
Nobody can see it,
steal it,
manipulate it.
And if I want to send it to you,
nobody can stop blocking to prevent it.
Now it taking the oldest problem man has had and taking it away.
Now,
I don't know exactly where that goes in the future,
but I know that that is going to be a major shift in the humanity.